Not good. Why are these characterizations needed? Again, not that these market forces absolve the sellers of a moral responsibility, but there is an argument occasionally deployed that slaves would have been slaves anyway. One issue about Westerners buying slaves via a chain of commerce that often ultimately involved Africans selling other Africans at traditional slave-trading locations (there was some slave-raiding by Europeans directly, but rarer) is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. Will Britain change? I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. No member of my family ever owned slaves. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. Societies have what morals suit them. Even did something positive. Two men managed to escape and were rescued, but not before my great, great, grandfather was beaten, starved and worked to death, his body thrown into the jungle for the animals and insects to dispose of. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. Flyover Americans arent going to take it. Indeed, third-century York may have been more ethnically and racially diverse than present-day York. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. They are pretty much airbrushed from history, whereas the transatlantic slave trade seems to be wall-to-wall on our TV screens and in our school textbooks. A weekly newsletter helping you fit together the pieces of the global economic slowdown. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. In the UK its not white people enslaving blacks anymore, but Asians enslaving other Asians, as in Leicesters clothing sweatshops. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) My family did nothing. Then dont discuss it. How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. I know. And yet Africans and West Indians were banned from the victory parade in 1919. This ignorant fellow should study historical facts, rather than believing and repeating lies and half-truths. He is the author of the 2016 book Black and British: A Forgotten History, which was awarded both the Longman-History Today Trustees Award 2017 and the PEN Hessell-Tiltman Prize 2017. Britain was happy to force the Bevan Boys down coal mines. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. @ Boganboy Obama had none. Sure. Video, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3: The Meaning of Zong, BBC Bitesize: The Zong 1781-1783 - The triangular trade, during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Fire knocks out half of Argentina's power grid, Havana Syndrome unlikely to have hostile cause - US, Starbucks illegally fired workers over union - judge. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. Exactly, bis. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". The thing we British are ancestrally responsible for is beginning and continuing to pursue the extinction of the sordid business of slavery. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. As for the future, the University of Manchester professor says younger generations give him hope. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. It could have ended earlier, but the planter interests in parliament defeated William Wilberforces attempts. Peter completed his award-winning PhD, exploring stress and coping in elite sports coaching, at Sheffield Hallam in 2012. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. Youre right, MBE. Read about our approach to external linking. The problem with slavery is that it left us with their descendents and weak minded White populations. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. I think a case could be made. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. I am of Ulster Scot heritage, who were originally John Knoxs Cumberland Presbyterians, VERY MUCH against slavery. Nobody will stop you, honest. Intellectually more convincing anyway for practical and political purposes, demolishing a straw-man often makes a better video or audio clip while simultaneously making your opponents position sound stupid. There are probably a thousand organisations, charities and assorted grifters who would happily cash your cheque. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. Then the second. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. Africans had a demand for female slaves. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. 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